So now is our newly elected mayor of OC coming after the law abiding citizens who own firearms now? Sure seems to be the machines agenda. To disarm the people in order to advance thier agenda. We all know that gun free zones are an open invitation to those individuals who care nothing about human life to caryy out thier destruction!!! PERIOD!!! Lets not forget the true meaning of the 2nd amendment!!

Remember these are not law abiding gun owners randomly stepping out and hurting people. These are people with a desire to commit harm on another individual period!! Gun Free Zones DO NOT WORK!!! IE The aurora shooter traveled to several theatres until he finally found one that was posted No Guns Allowed!!!
All I ask is that we do not knee jerk this rising epidemic by stepping on responsible law abiding gun owners toes.

All ready the focus is perverted by the leading direction of the question posed. The question should not be how to prevent gun violence but on how to prevent mass murders. Stevies community had a mass shooting not a mass murder no wonder he's getting hate mail. Perhaps you and I should send him one also telling him to quit the mayors against guns group they certainly do not speak for me and mine.. I'm sure Steve doesn't know where to send parents of children with mental health or parents with mental health issues for help as there isn't a responsible doctor or clinic just supporters of dope them up doctors who receive big bucks for promoting unsafe mental health drugs that contribute to brain dysfunction and mass shootings not cure it.

Shades of Mayor Bloomburg of New Yourk city ,a few weeks ago our Mayor told us we are fat and need to lose weight , next he will want to take salt out of our city then the big sodas .just like New Yourk Talk about power corrupting just look at are aldermen and the deals they gave to we-engry . We need to look at the system that puts to many road blocks in the way of getting people with mental problems commited, a review of the mass shooting showed that they all had mental health issuies . So we take away the rights of everybody for the sins if a few .

No lawbiding gun owner has ever committed murder. If the agenda hints at infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms then the organizers are simple ingoring the constitution. If strict guns laws actually worked, then Chicago, DC, and New York City would be the safest cities in America.

Yes I believe Chicago just celebrated their 500th homicide for the year!! Hmmmmm is Chicago not a GUN FREE ZONE? Well it seems those strict gun laws are working and very well I might add. Yes lets address the real issues here. Mental Health.....Oh but wait we might offend somebody by putting a label on them. So instead we will just step on the toes of legal, law abiding citizens who believe in the Constitution and what the 2nd amendment really stands for!! If I am not mistaking it was solely included to prevent a tyrannical government from taking over the people. It is obvious our leaders want to disarm us!! Only so they can further thier agenda. I mean lets face it the UN has been trying to push total disarmament onto the people of this Country and it appears as though it is gaining momentum.
Sad day for America unless people wake up and see what is happening

Thank you Mayor for leading a discussion. Because that's all this article said, just getting some educated people on the topic to discuss it. Not sure what everyone is afraid of...if there's no problem with guns talking about it should be good news.

I think we are all trying to figure out where the majority of people stand on the issue. Because that's what a civilized discussion is about. Name calling, threatening words and letters, angry CAPITALIZATION - none of it furthers your cause. Just grownups talking about how to keep kids and all people safer, not sure why that is a problem for you.

Michele-Once again Mayors against guns. Please tell me how that relates to a discussion on how to keep our kids safe. The very people who are advocating tighter restrictions have armed security around them 24/7. Obama, Rahm down in chicago not to mention his kids attend a school with armed security, Senator Feinstein has armed security. So its okay for some but not others. Hmmm seems the people who committed these violent acts were nothing more than evil people period. The police officer who was just shot and killed god rest her soul was a victim of domestic violence. Again those on the left want to blame the gun.
Here is the problem I have with this so called discussion.........
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

Its not a perfect world and will never be a perfect world. We need to stay focused on the true meaning of what the second amendment stands for period!!! The entire Constitution for that matter along with the Decleration and Bill of Rights. Mayors against guns is well just that!! Not just a discussion on how to keep our kids safe. Wake up people

Elected officials have been assassinated since the beginning of time. Protecting them is not new its prudent. All of this anger is getting us to the point where we all need to worry about it. That's sick.

It's a discussion. I don't know why you are pro guns but anti free speech. I want my elected officials to talk with citizens and propose change and then we vote on it. I want that. And I am not so tied to the freedoms of the past to not change in order to protect situations like grade schools. If that's with guns and we have a plan then that's fine. If its not I am willing to compromise to make sure babies don't have to needlessly die. It's time to evolve. Again.

Michele the problem is as a nation we have drifted from our Christian values and priniciples. We are scolded for talking about God, Jesus or Christianity in public. Yet as Christians we are expected to accept everyone elses values and religious beliefs. We have become such a touchy feely society which lacks accountibility. We are no longer held accountible for our actions. Kids in school are taught that from an early age. They are told over and over if your parents are spanking you come tell us and we will do something. There is zero discipline period!!! That is where the real problem lies!!!

Yes! Consequences! For words and intolerance. Freedom for all not just those who believe what we believe.

Consequences for words? What kind of words are we talking about? You want to limit my free speech? You don't want me to have the ability to tell you exactly where I stand on the basis of my choice of words. Isn't this intolerance? and Intolerance? Just what are you saying and do you know? We are the melting pot of the world. We were the leading nation in the world and the richest. We still are home to some of the richest individuals and corporations at the expense of our collapse within. Further, our high courts are letting the banksters walk without consequences. Think Deeper.

Words like sending "hate mail" to the mayor. Do that, it's your free speech but I would imagine its the kind of crazy that should be kept an eye on. Consequences and all.

I can't debate this kind of anger and paranoia.

I hope that tragedy never leads you to a place of having to "rethink deeper". God bless.

The mayor is a big boy. He is fully able to protect himself and when he can't we'll protect him. Elected officials put themselves up for scrutiny when they choose to participate. Hate mail? Lets see it. Yes, Mark should print it on a blog so we can examine it, all of it. You don't even know if he got any now do you? You speak of anger and paranoia. Americans are angry their damn angry with full rights to be. If your not your part of the complacency problem. Lets stay focused on the facts. you can't defend your position and don't want to admit it. Then to add words like tragedy is nothing more than word play when you fail in ability to rethink deeper. Finally, you call on your God? Save the world save our nation from the likes of SHEEPLE like you. .

What? You said he got letters and you were considering sending more. My only mistake here was assuming you were a credible source. No worries I am pretty sure you've proven that untrue for us all.

My only point is to thank the Mayor for taking a stand. For doing something even if its just holding a discussion for now. I'm not against the Mayors group. I'm not against liberal policies. I am against standing idly by as more and more people die. Lets hear from the experts since its so obvious we shouldn't be left to our own devices. Pun intended.

That doesn't need defending its exactly what's planned and the actual reason for this article. It's a big win for the OC and I'm proud of the officials we elected both locally and nationally. We have some actual smart people with good ideas who can be part of the national conversation. That is AWESOME.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/big-sis-spy-drone-at-vikings-packers-game.html

We are becomming a total police state under constant survellience. Scary!! Michele before you sell your soul do your own research. America was and is the best Country ever because of those very simple rights that we written hundreds of years ago. With the second amendment being top of the list.

You really don't know who I am or what studying I've done.

My only mistake was thinking I could use the comments section of an article to thank the mayor. To be positive in one of these always makes you a target for the most negative among us. I have learned. I will send him a letter instead.

Happy New Year to us all.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/video-dianne-feinstein-says-prepare-to-turn-in-your-guns.html

Patriot, you don't have a reply button on your last comment thus I have to post here. Hope you catch it. Here's another fact of concern. TSA, those pesky jerks at the air ports are considered EMERGENCY PERSONNEL, meaning they can be activated. They are reportedly trained in search and seizure, wear a tin badge and are a huge force that could be moved to county, state, and city boundaries in case of civil unrest or crisis in which government wanted us contained. Remember what happen in Louisiana when they wanted to leave? The cops opened fire on innocent Americans and then lied thru their teeth with their superiors covering it up. IT wasn't until after Obama was elected that the survivors of the victims got their day in court.

TSA and DHS are nothing more than modern day brown shirts, waiting to be activated. Soon we will be seeing the men and women in blue helmets in the name of " The New World Order"

Michelle makes complete sense. Discuss this issue like adults, not like the chicken littles that run rampant in this country. There is a problem and just arming everyone doesn't solve anything. Completely banning all guns is unrealistic, so let's figure out how to stop these mass shootings and other senseless murders.

The paranoia of folks like Patriot and vocal local 1 are what is sad about this country. The arrogance that Christianity is the only belief and equating the violence with lack of their specific religion. The fear that the government is going to take their lives. The name calling like 10 year olds because their view of the world only goes as far as the end of their guns and their reasoning is as shallow as their threats. It's not about guns or safety, it's about acting like a bunch of rebellious teenagers who feel mom and dad are taking their car keys away. Grow up.

So keep using whatever fear laced, flawed logic that you see on Fox news and continue to repeat them without fact checking nor actually thinking them through and using insults to replace real ideas. I would seriously hope that you all are far more responsible with your guns, because you're doing a very good job of showing that you don't think much.

@Voice of reason-Once again because I do not agree with you and feel my rights are no negotiable you have to name call. They very typical progressive liberal attitude.

Patriot, once again, you play victim. Explains your position quite well.

Patriot - you squawk "freedom" and hold the constitution dear, yet you wish to suppress the 1st amendment of everyone that doesn't agree with you? Might want to get your principles straight. You contradict yourself quite well, which makes arguments with narrow minded folks like yourself quite amusing.

Get used to the "Progressive Liberalism" because it's progress that is leaving you behind while you live in the past.

Then leave me behind rather than bow down. We defeated that way of Thinking once and we will win again.

Patriot - there are others that do think like you and it's clear that the rest of the country is thinking differently. Your mindset is antiquated and outmoded for the USA of today. People of your ilk have been defeated. Face it, you're a dying breed with obsolete principles that use issues like gun control to think only about themselves like incredibly selfish children. You only want to take the country backward since you simply cannot adapt and move forward due to the intense fear of change. True mark of a coward.

Voice-I had a nice long chat with the good man upstairs, he said there is still hope for you yet. Time is running out though. I will continue to pray for you that you may see the light. Although that would require you to pull your head out of your arse

Patriot, don't get sucked into "stupid". We did not call names as other's on this site accused then used. Lets just hope the forum doesn't turn into the same type of public forum Santelle, sponsored post the Temple Incident in August. Very few knew other than the Sikh. First they were an hour late in starting waiting for the rep from David Myers office to arrive then we had to listen to them all ramble on about what they were going to do to prevent this type of killing again and when the Sikh got up to the mic and started to tell their side the mic's failed. Some one was obviously afraid of loss of control of direction. The FBI took the Sikh temple video to review. Unfortunately, none of the Sikh knew the video was off and the FBI wasn't able to see and report to us what took place. In Sandy Hook, Adam's computer was so damaged they couldn't get any info. POPPYCOCk Also of concern are the reports of several perps here in OC in CO.and Conn. We were told the OC PD officer that shot the perp, killed him. No mention of the perp shooting himself. We know the cops train on head shots but Sam didn't know if he shot the perp in the gut or the head, he didn't see the perp shoot himself in the head. Am I to believe Sam was taking credit for killing the perp with his gut shot when he did indeed see the perp shot himself in the head? Whats wrong with this picture but its the official record/report to the public. All smoke and mirrors. Obama can declare emergency executive order.

I also find it funny that Senator Feinstein who is going to introduce the most radical gun control legislation this month holds a conceal carry permit. Hmmmmm double standard, hypocrite. Wake up America

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/feinstein-1995-her-concealed-carry-permit-i-know-urge-arm-yourself-because-thats-what-i-did

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/

I voted for Steve, but will never again based on his position to ban guns. This is a non logical position, to arm criminals and disarm law abiding citizens. If it wasn't for armed police the whacko at the Sikh temple would have never been stopped. Lets find a new mayor.

Correction Phil, Steve Scaffidi, OC Mayor's position so far is not to ban guns but to enforce current laws on guns and illegal gun traffic. What this has to do with our city isn't clear to me. Wade Page's guns were legal. He wasn't on drugs, didn't have any mental health history. What I object to is the lack of information released to us, the public. Can the mayor go against the recommendations of the FBI the controlling agency in all mass murders? I think he can and I think he should stand up, ask critical questions and insist we have an informed public. To date considering the temple killings we have not been given much info. Some of what we have been told is contradictory. Further, he does have the power to call public meetings where all can challenge and demand answers depending on the platform afforded the public. Do I really want to listen to more of the same? I'd like to read the entire FBI investigative report. Why did the FBI follow leads leading out of the country? What leads and what was learned? We don't know thus how can we discuss? WIth out all the info, solutions are limited and we stagger on waiting for the next event to happen. I don't like the steering used. I don't like the failure of the press limiting info and leading the public by telling them what to think. I wouldn't want to be a new mayor of almost three months and face the issues a mass shooting brings to a community. The residents, yourself included need to attend the meeting but they don't.

The group the Mayor joined post his meeting with Joe Biden is my understanding is called: “Mayors against Illegal Guns”. They claim their focus is enforcement of existing laws and gun trafficking. What I wrote was Wade Page’s guns were legal, he didn’t have any mental health and he certainly wasn’t trafficking. Thus, I assumed you would recognize that none of the issues of the temple are the focus or rationale for his joiner.We should demand he withdraw at Saturday’s meeting as he is not representing the ideology of the residents of this community. I most certainly do believe the FBI is not a credible or effective agency other than monitoring perhaps the pesky, unintelligent robots at the airport that infringe on our rights each time were forced to enter their domain to the point that we can’t even withdraw consent. The FBI is a cover up agency and should be abolished with the termination of Eric Holder et al. For at least the last twenty years the FBI and courts have sealed investigative and court room documents relating to mass killings. In twenty years the problems have not went away they have gotten worse; we pay them top bucks to work against the public and transparency and freedoms. Look at the states that have had mass killings some repeat like Colorado and Wisconsin. It should tell you something is radically wrong between our society and our government. Deductively, the problem is none other than the Patriot Act which has taken our rights away.

Phil, Cont.
The media certainly does tell the average joe citizen how to think. After all were in a recession now aren’t we for example. You probably won’t get this either. Text book definition of recession –v- depression is that in a recession the economy slows down. In a depression business’s fail. When our top financial institutions fail and the largest manufactures where are we, a recession or a depression? CNN, Fox, the media as a whole lies to the American public by telling them they are in a recession or a double dip or triple whatever and the public parrots it like good little disciples of destruction of the country as a whole. Don’t American’s know the meaning of congruent? Don’t they get the collateral effects? Another example: American’s are proud of their kids in the military fighting foreign investor wars, killing children, urinating on corpses and loudly farting in formation in the presence of foreign dignitaries. When my kid got orders for Kabul I told him to go AWOL not to fight their monkey wars. I wasn’t proud I was ashamed that he was so ignorant. Call me Un-American? No, Born in the USA.

Sorry Phil, wrong again. You said the title: Mayors against illegal Guns is inconsistent with the action proposed. You suggest the mayors want to make guns illegal for everyone. "if", your suggestion is correct everyone with a gun will be a criminal and they will go after them. What about this is not logical? In addition, you claim your position is clear: "My position is clear. Further gun laws will not accomplish the desired result of stopping this kind of violence." Gun bans definitely will decrease the numbers of mass "SHOOTINGS", as evidenced in countries with strict gun law. Unfortunately, bans on guns will not stop Mass Killings again as evidenced in countries with gun bans where perps use other weapons. Your right in that I don't want to be mayor. I never understood the contest between candidates for the position. I'd rather have the power of a vote in the decision making process. You my dear flunked logic 101 or never attempted the course work. I on the other hand excelled in logic and application, wanna see my transcripts? In closing if at first you don't succeed, try and try again.

Vocal, there are so many flaws with your ratiocination I don't know where to begin. Again, try and think with logic and not emotion. Support your claims with facts not opinion and fantasy.

Get ready folks sounds like the Obama machine will once again shred the Constitution to acheive his gun control agenda. Rumor has he will use executive order to push thru his gun control agenda. If in fact he does use executive orders to do just that we will be one step closer to Stalins Russia/Hitlers Nazi Germany

Talk a revolution..I suspect Obama is considering a complete ban of guns from private citizens as well as other considerations. He knows the numbers of Americans with guns and our refusal to mediate on the 2nd. Will they pay us for our loss? Will we comply? How would government enforce the law? Considering they cannot search and seize the entire population the only way govt. would know would be by the numbers of guns not returned per the calculated numbers in circulation. They could project numbers of illegal guns in areas but the only way they could search and seize is in connection with a legal search and seizure connected to another crime. Meaning charges and enforcement would become ancillary. IS THIS CORRECT?

http://wh.gov/PUf7

http://www.guncontrolmorecrime.com/

This says it all plzzzzzzzzzz watch

http://www.prisonplanet.com/eric-holder-reveals-effort-by-government-to-demonize-gun-ownership.html

FYI: Forum announced in the Suburban Now. One can hardly recognize it's the same meeting. Mayor is not going to tolerate any "hateful" speech. Has anyone asked whats this costing us in police overtime pay? Last Forum there were cops everywhere, each door, each corner, behind the forum members. Something else came to mind today. Reportedly, President Obama, Rahm, now mayor of Chicago, Jessie Jackson, Jessie Jackson Jr. and spouse, and David Myers Faith Based Initiatives, all Chicago homeboys want gun legislation to stop the gang killings in Chicago. Restrictive gun laws haven't made a dent in the problem. Whats wrong with this picture? Remember Janet Reno? Remember Ruby RIdge and the peace living Weavers? Remember Waco, David Keresh? Both were peace loving communities and there were others William Cooper. Government didn't have any problem going in and slaughtering them now did they? But the Nations Guns and Gun laws are under threat to save the slums of Chicago? Don't Tread on ME.

http://www.teaparty.org/nra-gears-up-for-gun-control-fight-with-white-house-18516/

Its time for those who hold the Constitution dear to their hearts to be heard!!!!

Balbir, Thank You for explaining/clarifying. I suspected the Sikh are being used. I also read there is some dissension between the youth, especially in our case the “Americanized youth” pull from conventional teachings. The issues are not simplistic especially with the perversion of truth sustained with denial of information. The situation brings to mind the English Woman’s Suffrage Movement which went something like: Stand beside us, do not grovel, do not beg. I can’t remember more and my book is packed much to my chagrin. You were with Jessie Jackson, what did you learn? I’m interested in Rev. Jackson’s thoughts on mental health post his son’s problems. I hope Jr. isn’t doped up. What happened to him that confused his whole world? Did he see how ineffective his work as a senator was and how he was being used by the establishment for who knows what purpose. It’s a very strange world we live in Balbir. I always have to remember it is our actions today that preserve or deny freedoms for our children, our successors. In my life, I obviously have not been effective, really understood the collateral effects, have not fought hard enough to preserve and guarantee my children and grandchildren would have the same opportunities afforded them that were afforded me.

I just returned from the forum. Same garbage as before. No opportunity to step up to the mic and ask critical question we have to date been denied the right to ask. Again, questions were submitted and chosen. The "conformed" white supremacist was a joke. He didn't know Wade Page but he states Page joined the White Supremacist. When I questioned him after he admitted he didn't know him, didn't have contact with anyone that knew him didn't in fact know Wade Page was or was not a white supremacist. . Santelle was up on stage talking about this as a Hate Crime. James Santelle of all people knows the Temple Shooting was never officially classified as a Hate Crime. The Social Worker who replaced the Sikh Social Worker from the first forum parroted general babble. The mental health experts have lots of help lines but no real help to offer, more of the same. All in all it was a boring event but the Quizno's vegetarian subs were tasty.

No, this was a PRESENTATION, they were telling us. They don't care what you or I or any resident wants they are telling us what we want.

@Vocal- I have to agree with you. I felt as though the Mayor did not want to hear or discuss anything that he did not agree with. As he stated it was a waste of time to argue or disagree so to speak. Well that says to me its his way or no way. Guess what Mr Mayor we WILL VOTE YOU OUT!!!! With that attitude you DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE!!! Rather you are speaking for a select few.
It makes me sad for what took place back in August but the feeling I left your forum with yesterday said to me that you were and are speaking for the Sikhs and not the majority. Bottom line you have an agenda and you are going to push your agenda forward regardless. Again as you stated its pointless to disagree or argue or discuss. Also you made mention of the 1st Amendment yesterday, but failed to mention one of the most important Amendments, the 2nd Amendment. Although you had it copied onto your Meeting Agenda yet did not mention it. Hmmmmmmmmm and you say this was not about gun control? Totally about gun control but in a very psycological way.

Wish I could make it if I was there to put a Sikh perspective, if allowed that is, to this garbage. I am in Fresno, CA for the weekend but patiently following the developments. Trust me, these "temple" officials (who can not even identify place of worship as A Gurudwara due to their complexes) do not represent the Sikh of Milwaukee period. Basic everyday Sikh prayer salutes the sword, spears before the Ardas begins. These economic refugees are far removed from Sikh ethos, principles and its philosophy.

ਅਰਦਾਸ: ੴ ਵਾਹਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ॥ ਸ੝ਰੀ ਭਗੌਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ ਵਾਰ ਸ੝ਰੀ ਭਗੌਤੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦॥
Ardaas, Ekh-oonkaar Vaaheguroo jee kee Fat'eh. Sree Bhagautee jee Sahaa-e; vaar Sree Bhagautee jee kee Paat'shaahee D'assveen
Plea: One God, Victory belongs to Waheguru. The sacred Bhagauti pervails; Ode to the Bhagauti by the tenth master. .. Bhaguati means weapons and this is the first stanza of everyday Sikh prayer. The picked Sikh faces may not even be observant Sikhs to begin with let alone speak with authority on matters of Sikh principles, heritage and scripture.

Not a worry. I work in Milwaukee and you can email me at hinuttypilot@hotmail.com sometime so we can arrange a face to face honest discourse to know each other better. True we carry a kirpan and post 9/11 we have agreed and conformed to not travel with it whilst air travel. More on that when we sit some day

Hey you guys, I want to meet too. Sikhs allow women just as much voice is my understanding.

It sure seems that history is once again repeating itself. So similar to the pre revolutionary days when the British Empire tried to rule the people.

During the 1760s pre-revolutionary period, the established colonial militia was composed of colonists, which included a number who were loyal to British imperial rule. As defiance and opposition to the British rule developed, a distrust of these Loyalists in the militia became widespread among the colonists, known as Patriots, who favored independence from British rule. As a result, these Patriots established independent colonial legislatures to create their own militias that excluded the Loyalists and then sought out to stock up independent armories for their militias. In response to this arms build up, the British Parliament established an embargo on firearms, parts and ammunition on the American colonies

@Logical-So just becasue I do not agree with your liberal progressive ideology you have labeled me as a crazy? Very typical. Sorry history tends to repeat itself and considering the UN is pushing for total disarmement which is due to hit congress this spring for a vote. Im not crazy at all. Just an informed voted

Just an informed voter and concerned citizen.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/congressman-obama-only-upholds-the-soviet-constitution.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/feinstein-%e2%80%98purpose-is-to-dry-up-the-supply-of-these-weapons-over-time%e2%80%99.html