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State Recall Elections Set for May 8, June 5

Dane County Judge Richard Niess has signed off on dates proposed by the Government Accountability Board.

 

Well, Wisconsin, we have confirmed recall election dates.

The Associated Press is reporting that Dane County Circuit Judge Richard Niess has signed off on the May 8 and June 5 dates proposed by the Government Accountability Board after attorneys from the GAB, recall committees and recall candidates signed off on the deal.

Republican Party of Wisconsin Executive Director Stephan Thompson issued a written statement saying the party agrees with Niess' decision.

"We're pleased with today’s ruling by Judge Niess, which grants the Government Accountability Board an extension for certification of recall petitions. By aligning all recall elections on the same date, a significant burden on election officials and taxpayers has been relieved," he said.

Gov. Scott Walker, Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch, and four state senators, including Van Wanggaard of Racine and Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, are targeted for recall. While the GAB has not finished verifying signatures for Walker and Kleefisch, on Monday the board voted unanimously to order the recalls of the senators.

Primary races will be held on May 8, but races without a primary will use the May 8 date as the general election.

There will be a primary in the gubernatorial election. In addition to Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk, Secretary of State Doug La Follette and state Sen. Kathleen Vinehout have also announced or plan to announce they're running.

Whether there will be a primary in Racine County is still up in the air. Former Sen. John Lehman, whom Wanggaard defeated in Nov. 2010, is going to run and now, Caledonia resident Andrew Mielke has filed interest papers with the GAB. Mielke said he's more of an independent but would run as a Democrat against Lehman in a primary to eventually face Wanggaard for the June 5 general election.

Related Topics: Rebecca Kleefisch, Scott Walker, Van Wanggaard, Wisconsin Recalls, and recall election

Mike

12:14 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

If Secretary Doug La Follette runs for governor he will get my vote. I think he could be a force to be dealt with. I am independent and do not care for Falk or Barrett but admit La follete intrigues me.

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Bob McBride

12:46 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

What do you find so intriguing about him, other than he's trying to cash in on his last name? That he was an originator of "Earth Day" in WI and he's a rabid environmentalist? That he's run virtually unchallenged for the same position for years that, apparently, nobody else wants? That when he has attempted to run for other offices, he's lost?

I see a career politician who has made occasional attempts to run for other offices, but who doesn't really want to invest anything in the process and yet another potential roadblock to any kind of development in this state.

What are you seeing?

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Jay Sykes

3:29 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Vote for me, 'Doug LaFollette' because ummm, ummm, my Great,Great,Grandfather's brother was 'Fighting Bob', now that's the ticket...

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Mike

9:22 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

La Follette or potentially any other candidate will restore civility and treat ALL Wisconsin residents with respect, unlike Walker and company who has turned their backs on so many and only listened to those who opened up their wallets for him. Again, Walker is in Florida selling his soul for a penny as we speak. He should be here taking care of the citizens of Wisconsin, especially the 23k he just cut from Medicaid yesterday and now have no health insurance. He continues to disenfranchise the people of this state. La Follette or someone else will allocate the many human and natural resources our state has in ways that develop our economy while not promising 250k new jobs and turning away "good" jobs and not jobs that continue to ruin our environment. That my friend is why he intrigues me. The sooner this state can rid itself of the parasite Walker the better. Especially after he says he could care less about being re-elected when he can make "real money" leaving his $174k job as governor. He may not have that opportunity once the cuffs go on him.

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Bob McBride

9:35 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

So he's intriguing because he's not Walker.

Out of the three, you picked the one who has absolutely no executive experience and hasn't shown any true desire to aggressively pursue any position beyond the one he holds now (which he hasn't had to aggressively pursue either). And that's your idea of a leader. I guess being an independent means punting when all else fails.

Steve

12:16 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Recall Santa: I didn't get what I wanted

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Keith Schmitz

12:23 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

If you love what Walker is doing to you and the state, you get to vote for him again.

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James R Hoffa

1:07 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

@Keith Schmitz -

And vote for Walker we will! And just like last time, we'll compose the vast majority of the state!

I suggest you get my $50 ready and start thinking about a place where you'd like to present it to me ;-)

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Steve

2:02 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I'm going to vote twice. Once for me and once for my recently passed away brother. No voter ID baby

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mau

3:37 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I am going to vote as many times as possible and at as many places as possible, that falls within the Dane County Attorney's and GAB's criteria. (I'm just joking, I'm just joking, hope the Patch and Fake Name police don't turn me in!!!!!!!)

Linda Motley

1:34 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

A note to "Bewildered" - You may think it's OK to try to bully and intimidate people who use their real names on here, especially since you are too much of a coward to post under your own name, but I have news for you: There is no such thing as anonymity on the internet. It doesn't matter what you put down as your name, your comments are easily traceable to you, your home address, your phone number, your cable server, and the computer you are using to post. You might want to consider that before you start posting BS meant to discredit and intimidate people out of posting. Keith is no coward. You are. Keith has the courage of his convictions, as does everyone else who posts under their own names. You who use fake names are cowards who do not believe in what you say, and clearly do not want to be found out. Guess what? You are found out, with just a few clicks of a mouse. Just because your identifying info does not show on this thread does not mean it is not seen. Keep that in mind, coward.

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Steve

2:14 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Are you threatening Bewildered by releasing his IP address?

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Linda Motley

3:24 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I haven't released anything, Steve. I don't have to. And I also have not threatened him. But people who like to bully others while using fake names need to know that with today's technology, there is no anonymity on these sites. If you don't have the courage of your convictions, and post under a fake name, perhaps your comments aren't worth reading. Bullying is never okay, and using such tactics to try to discredit a person you don't agree with is cowardly. "Bewildered" does this as a common practice. He's a coward who thinks he can say anything he wants to say, and not have to answer for it because he hides his identity. Patch knows his identity; Patch knows all our identities. His comment below speaks volumes about who and what he is - just another cowardly bully who goes by many names on these threads.

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Steve

3:35 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Patch can see an IP address but that's as far as it goes, unless you have admin powers you can't see it here either. It gets you to the provider of the internet and where that server is located. That's about it and many will lead you to areas of the world we are not actually located at.

Welcome to the internet, enjoy your stay. User names or avatars are common in the interwebz to protect yourself against crazy people that go on rants like yourself.

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mau

3:41 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

@Steve, or you can reset your modem and get a different IP address.

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Steve

3:53 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Zactly. Will still say the same info though. ie: Time Warner, Germantown Wisconsin

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Linda Motley

7:06 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Nice way to avoid the issue, Steve. Instead of stepping up to the plate to confront and condemn bully tactics and attempts to intimidate people into not posting, you have focused on technicalities which are easily over-ridden by legal entities if a person decides to take a complaint to that level. Why is it OK for people like "Bewildered" to bully others, or threaten to publish "private" information on a person, because "Bewildered" doesn't like that person's opinion? Bullying is never okay, and for you to ignore that as the issue here means that you are giving tacit approval to such tactics. And if you are, shame on you. I am sorry you are so threatened by people who state their opinions honestly, and if you feel safer by not posting under your name, so be it. But those of us who do post under our names get threatened all the time, yet we still sign our names to our comments. People who disagree with you are not "crazy people", they are just people who disagree with you. That you don't comprehend that is really sad...

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235301

8:08 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

@Linda: Recognize that there is a public record of the facts surrounding Keith S's book coop. They are available via search from jsonline at any time. You may perceive the comments regarding Keith S and this public record as bullying, others may see it as a way of shining a light on the credibility of Keith S. Recognize what is in that public record also has the potential to enrage many taxpayers that participate in this forum. I've been outspoken out on this board about remaining anonymous and this is one of the many reasons to do so. Others who have posted on this board that have chosen to use their real names have been searched via CCAP and JSOnline with the results shining some light on the credibility of those posters, rightly or wrongly. I see no upside to using your name on this forum with huge downsides. Keith S chooses to use his real name and as such has to take that downside. It is not cowardice to use a screen name rather than your real name. It is just plain smart. And to threaten to out another poster via tracking them via IP or other means is just as despicable as any bullying. People post here anonymously so that they may express their true views without having to be politically correct. Employers now search on your name when making hiring decisions. Do you really want what you post on here to be used against you in a competitive job hunt?

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Steve

12:07 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

I'm a technical debater kind of guy and not the internet police. Your statement although genuine in motivation was not true in fact. To get an true address IP you would need a court order. IMO the internet is not serious business even though I make a living from it. If Keith didn't want that attention, or was bothered by it, which is very locally public, then he could change his user name very quickly.

I would never use a full name on a forum like this, especially political. I actually do not use my standard user name because of that, Google knows me all too well under that.

Bewildered

2:44 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Oh Ms. Linda, you are obviously new to the world of blogging Nom de plums are the rule, not the exception. I know that doesn't fit in with your view of the internet. Some of us believe In freedom of speech, unlike you who wish to deny the majority of posters on Patch ( or any internet site) the right to their opinion unless they identify themselves. Ever occur to you some fear retribution from wing nuts like yourself ( just re-read your own comments, my dear) .

Steve, of course she is threatening me. That's what she does.

Regarding Keith, facts speak for themselves.

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Keith Schmitz

8:56 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

No they don't little man. You have no idea what when on or what was involved.

You can stop by Alterra any time and I'll be happy to go over what happened. I doubt if you have the courage to do it or that you even live here. My bet is you are being paid to post.

Beyond that, I'm not going to engage. You little creeps can try to intimidate through embarrassment, but notice how much that is working.

Don't you all just love how these "patriots" talk about freedom, but would never have the guts to stand up for what they believe in by getting out form behind screen names. Yeah, we've read your pathetic excuses but they don't cut it.

By the way Linda, thanks. You have more courage than these weenies.

Go to it midgets. I know I hurt your little feelings.

dpatric2

3:07 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

OK!!!....now we have firm dates on knowing when we can elect honest pragmatic leaders who know how to collaborate and find the compromises that will help us to collectively deal with the REAL issues facing this state. Wisconsin will soon be united and moving forward again!!!

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mau

3:35 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Who are the "fake name" police?

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Randy1949

4:10 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

@Mau -- Why don't you tell us? You were the one referring to Fake Name police up thread.

Joking about voting multiple times when the issue of voter fraud is so controversial is about as funny as joking about shoe bombs at the airport.

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Steve

4:33 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Voter fraud is made up and doesn't happen and is a scare tactic by the Koch brothers to suppress democrat minority voters.

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mau

8:33 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Oh give me a break. I better leave it at that or you'll get more hissy fit yet.

Bren

4:04 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I learned today that the WI GOP is considering legislation to "mothball" the brand new high speed rail trains at an additional expense of $750,000/year. A lot of us who have lived in regions with excellent mass transit and rail services want the same here. After all, Milwaukee was a national model in mass transit (trackless trollies, etc.). Less wear and tear on the car, less gas, etc.

Another reason to support a change in leadership. Time for forward-thinking and sensible decision-making for Wisconsin. Recall Scott Walker.

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CowDung

4:08 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

$750k per year is still much cheaper than the cost of building and maintaining a 'high speed' rail system that few people would actually use...

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Bob McBride

4:12 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I guess you and the rest of the "a lot" of you aren't the same as most. I did just a quick and dirty search on HSP in WI polls and found the following from JSOnline.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/97779344.html

There was a another from the WPRI, but I'm sure that would be shot down as propaganda, so I stuck with the above. Some others...they all came to pretty much the same conclusion.

Guess you'll have to move somewhere more cultured and urbane than America's (former) Dairyland if you want to feel good about yourself while riding the train.

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Jay Sykes

4:33 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

@Bren...What 'new high speed trains'? One wouldn't call the talgo train sets high speed.
FYI: Federal government definition of High Speed Rail: travels at 150mph, on a dedicated two track set rail-bed(one track for each direction) without grade crossings.

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Bren

11:33 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

The trains are built and ready to go. It's ridiculous and backward to consider mothballing them. If the price were commuter friendly they would be used.

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Steve

12:09 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

These trains burn diesel and cause global warming. We are against drilling and mining and trains are evil.

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Jay Sykes

6:12 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

@Bren.... You left out an important fact behind the 'mothball discussion'... the maintenance costs on the 'new' talgo trains will cost $10 million dollars a year 'more' than we are spending now, on the 20-30 year old amtrak train sets we now run.
http://www.wuwm.com/programs/news/view_news.php?articleid=10058

The CHI-MKE amtrak has 800,000 riders/year; So, if one divides the $10,000,000 by the 800k in ridership, the cost of a ride increases by more than $12 -each-way.
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/opencms/export/nr/modules/news/news_3137.html_786229440.html

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Tim Scott

8:13 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Government has no business of being in the business of providing transportation.

BREN - my suggestion is that you take your experience, knowledge and abilities, form a Company, obtain Capital, and build the transportation system you want so that you and others may benefit and make a profit.

Those of us that don't want or use the train should not be FORCED to subsidize your desire to ride a CHOO-CHOO train around.

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Tim Scott

8:19 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Which is also why income and property taxes need to be abolished - consumption taxes are the proper way to fund government - let the users pay and don't forcibly abuse the property owners for simply owning property.

Bren - you would throw your Grandma out of her house, or mine for that matter, in your effort to get what you want and ride a train. How many young people are denied the opportunity to own a house - because of your desire to ride a train.

Bren - from your long list of postings you have revealed to me that you are an extraordinarly selfish person - demanding everyone else take care of your wants and needs - with no consideration for others. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM -

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Bren

9:17 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Tim Scott, please. Government or government/private partnerships are the best means for providing mass transit systems because they are of benefit to every citizen. Have you experienced successful transit systems in the U.S. or elsewhere?

I'm not sure what you're talking about in re "grandma" etc. Projection and creative extrapolation are dubious gifts observed in some far-right "conservatives" but I live in the reality-based world. I have lived in places where the excellence of mass transit made owning a car unnecessary.

If you wish to indulge in more "creative extrapolation," imagine how the lack of mass transit impedes business, recreational weekend travel, etc. People don't think about using mass transit here much because it is a shell.

Yes, trains use fuel. But it's undoubtedly less fuel than would be consumed by a train full of passengers who were sitting in traffic in individual cars.

Concerning your idea about consumer taxes, let's see your write up about how that would provide a comparative stable tax revenue stream, otherwise put that dream back in the pipe.

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Midwest George

5:09 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Bren, you are missing the point about high speed rail and why it will never amount to anything. At the very lowest level of this argument, you are forgetting the majority of us do not have jobs that are within walking distance of the train station. How do you expect to get to work once you've reached your final destination? Take a bus? Cab? Do you really want to add more time to your work day waiting around for yet another type of transportation to haul your butt off to work and home again? Or do you propose we have train lines running to every industrial park? That would cost billions. Its a great idea for compact areas, but we are too spread out around here.

Michael Schwister

7:38 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Scott Walker doesn't really care if he wins the recall or not. His wife would like to see him return to the private sector to make some real cash. $171,715.00 isn't what he calls real dough. Given his attitude towards his position it does not sound to me that he has any real conviction. Just about anyone that cared would make a better Governor than the one that doesn't. http://grassroots.wisdems.org/page/m/686ee707/75c4b7/6fc83a0a/484a4ff7/1801604700/VEsH/

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Clark

7:54 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Did you listen to the whole interview? This was an off the cuff comment for the crowd. Leave it to a lefty to cut up clips to their benefit. I think Mr. Walker is just so fed up with the political BS from your side with this baseless recall, blocking the mining bill, and all the stomping and crying that he wouldn't care if he went back to the private sector. Can you really blame the guy??

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Bob McBride

7:57 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Please continue to make a big deal out of stuff like this.

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Bren

9:23 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Michael, I interpreted his statement in one of two ways--that he was attempting to act the martyr--the incredible sacrifice he is making for Wisconsin for only $171,715 per annum; or he is trying to save face because he believes he will be recalled.

In the first instance, I say, "Don't martyr yourself, resign," and on the second, how much traction will he lose on the "conservative" lecture circuit if he loses the recall? He's not the most dynamic speaker, he'll have proved ALEC extremism unpopular, I'm not sure.

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Clark

9:28 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

I'd rather have someone in government make CHANGE than make a great speech. We HOPED NoBama would make CHANGE, but all he can do is read from a TelePrompTer. Look where that's gotten us!!

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Bren

12:20 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Clark, presidents have been using teleprompters since the technology was available. Barack Obama freestyles very well which is why he's far more comfortable doing town hall meetings than GW Bush, who relied heavily on teleprompters. That's why there were limited town hall meetings and Q&As. I'm not getting on Bush for relying heavily on teleprompters because that's what it's there for. Public speaking isn't easy.

And speaking of change, I appreciate that the economy is improving and that bin Laden is no longer a rallying force for international terrorism. Those are good changes!

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Gregory Kluck

5:32 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

O wow!!! A 19 second clip and the Democratic party in Wisconsin wants me to sign a petition. Good God!

Michael Schwister

8:03 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

@ Bob, Really no big deal. I didn't say it. Grandpa always told me the only thing that matters in life is your word.

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Bob McBride

8:09 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Did Grandpa also tell you to disengage your intellect and overreact to soundbites?

Michael Schwister

8:11 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

No Bob, but he did say that a snake can't change the color of his skin. And I wonder who has abandoned their intellect.

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Steve

8:25 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

►I wonder who has abandoned their intellect.◄ = Michael Schwister

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Bob McBride

8:33 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Grandpa can't get them all right:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13570772/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/researchers-discover-snake-changes-color/

Seriously, if you honestly believe what you wrote above regarding that soundbite, by all means run with it. Between you with this and Bren with his mothballed trains you guys are really grasping at straws at this point. You shouldn't have shot your collective wad so early on in your hissy fit.

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Bren

2:58 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Someone in Madison told me yesterday that Scott Walker actually wasn't in support of mothballing the trains and that this was a "Vos" manoeuvre. If true, that means Walker isn't against trains, just new destinations and Vos is against trains and new destinations and now Scott Walker and...

Sigh.

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mau

4:41 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

@Bob, gotta love this "Under the terms of the company's no-bid contract with the state". Wonder how much money exchanged hands under the table. Imagine if Walker did this.

Tim Scott

9:32 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

"please."

So you're going to steal my money nicely?

Europe - nice try. You do know Europe is broke, the North Sea oil is depleting fast, and most European countries can no longer pay their energy bills. Energy is not a magic substance that appears on demand, even though it seems to do so.

Reality - face it Bren - it's not for you, and will elude you always.

In another futile attempt to educate you to the hard truth of reality I present the following, which you will promptly ignore.

"The countries which carry the greatest debt burdens and have the least means to service and repay the debts are also Europe’s energy deadbeats. Don’t believe me, see for yourself:"

http://www.economic-undertow.com/2011/06/27/dead-money/

No oil = no large scale civilization = no trains = death for millions.

UH, Europe doesn't have any sustainable energy supplies, the Euro is a dead man walking - and when the threat of force won't provide Europe with any more energy - the trains stop. The transport system stops, oil-based industrial agriculture stops, and all the fiat money in the world will never replace a hard commodity you don't have.

We'll die rich!!!

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Bren

12:38 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Tim, how many years have you lived in Europe to gain understanding of how things work over there? Are you aware that they were also hit by the recession? Are you aware that France has a robust nuclear power program in response to the resource issue?

That sounds more reasonable than the "drill baby drill" race to oil depletion concept doesn't it? Environmentalists have been pointing out your stale oil facts for decades. So tell me why "conservatives" are so against exploring alternate fuels? Realistically, practically, explain this phenomenon.

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CowDung

1:35 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

I think that most 'conservatives' are fine with nuclear power. Unfortunately the 'progressives' have been fear mongering nuclear power since the 1970s, so it just never seems to catch on...

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Jay Sykes

2:03 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

France produces about 80%(59 reactors) of its electricity with nuclear, the US 20%(104 reactors). We only need to build, a couple-or so,er, three hundred, to catch-up.

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CowDung

2:34 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

I seem to recall that McCain pledged to build more nuclear reactors when he was running against Obama (45 plants by 2030 if I recall correctly). How many nuke plants has your guy gotten underway since he was elected, Bren?

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Bren

2:38 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Nuclear power needs to be regulated to avoid a Chernobyl or what is still going on in Japan. We also need to explore alternatives like solar energy, etc. Our global use of oil is increasing and ultimately that supply will be exhausted.

Tim Scott needed to remind us all of this but hasn't yet answered my question about how a "conservative" can recognize the concept of peak oil yet not support research into sustainable energy.

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Steve

2:39 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Obama actually just did the right thing last month. Now this thing is far from starting last I herd lots of fighting still going on locally

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/09/us-set-to-approve-first-nuclear-reactors-since-178/

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Bren

2:44 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

With a goal of 45 plants by 2030, how many would "your guy" have had built by now, Cow?

Personally, with all of the Tea/ALEC resistance to progress exhibited in Congress and the regulation=bad mindset, I would hesitate to build nuclear reactors in this environment. They require monitoring and regulations.

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CowDung

2:51 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

More fear mongering from the left...

We have regulations, Bren. We have 100+ reactors operating safely in the US already. Are you backing off your 'progressive' stance that we should be using more alternative energy?

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Bren

3:13 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Not at all. I believe in a measured, across-the-board approach to address the issue. I don't believe it was unintentional that alternative energy was branded as a treehugger activity, or that it is sacrilege rather than common sense to recognize that population, excessive resource extraction and pollution impact the environment in sometimes unanticipated ways (such as the Youngstown earthquakes).

As I wrote, I'm not concerned about current nuclear regulations in the U.S., which are among the best in the world, I'm worried about the de-regulation faction that puts profit before all else. The lack of clarity and forthrightness in the days after the Japan earthquake were the result of that type of thinking in that country.

There's also the issue of special interests, i.e., Big Oil. As long as there are profits to be made, they won't be receptive to industries that siphon off business. A former colleague who worked for BP shared that they try to buy alternative fuel patents (not to put into production) and I wouldn't be surprised if others try to do the same. After all, companies exist to make profit.

But it really is time to be realistic about energy.

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Jay Sykes

3:14 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

FYI: We only generate about 2% of our total USA electricity, using oil. I don't believe there are any power generating stations remaining that run 24/7 on oil. The 'peaking power plant' located in Germantown(just to the west of Walmart, south of county Line Rd (Hwy Q)), can be fired with natural gas or fuel oil.

http://www.we-energies.com/home/GTPP.pdf

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CowDung

3:20 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Bren:

Why are you so worried about deregulation? The Dems are still the majority party as they control the senate and the presidency. Are you lacking faith in the 'progressives'?

Yes, we should be realistic about energy--how many of those 'tree hugging progressives' favor nuclear power? The realistic approach to alternative energy needs to lead with more nuclear power plants. Solar, wind, etc. are decades away from being the clean, practical solutions that the 'treehuggers' claim to want...

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Steve

3:47 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Lots of iron needed to make wind turbines. How can you support wind energy and not support an iron mine?

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mau

4:04 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

@Jay, to the best of my knowledge there are no public utility power plants in SE Wisconsin that use fuel oil as their main source of fuel. Lakeside was that last one and that was fitted to burn either fuel oil or natural gas. Most use fuel oil, natural gas or propane for firing. There are always diesel generators somewhere in the system for a black start. In Lakeside's day natural gas prices were still high so they mostly ran on diesel. It was a coal burning plant prior to the switch-over. Most of the plants have been updated to fire on natural gas or propane. Some of the older units still have the ability to fire on fuel oil. Natural gas is cleaner and can be piped in. With diesel you need storage tanks. You do not want to eliminate any one of these sources in case of an emergency situation.

I know that other utilities in the state have some older power plants but I believe the SE Wisconsin had the oldest plants (Commerce, East Wells, Lakeside), many of which are shut down or converted.

http://www.we-energies.com/home/power_plants.htm

Dirk

9:47 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Up to 9 million tax dollars now for this silly recall along with costing hard-working middle-class union workers 700-800 jobs up north. Great job Dems! Your blatant catering to special interests will fortunately keep you out of power for years to come. I'm sure bankrupt Illinois would have some openings for you.......

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Randy1949

9:59 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

In the face of what the legislature passed yesterday and Gov. Walker is expected to sign, we can't let this go on. It isn't about jobs -- it's about taking us back to the good old days of the 1950s, when things weren't really all that good.

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Bren

12:14 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Yes, people have a strangely "I Love Lucy" view of the 1950s, but there were many problems, including segregation, etc.

Dirk, decades of potential environmental pollution and clean-up would have cost the state far more than 700 "permanent" jobs. There was no guarantee that Wisconsinites with no previous mining experience would have been hired over out-of-state miners with experience. GTAC's entire Wisconsin management team was tapped from out of state. Think this through.

Adam Schwartz

10:21 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

I don't understand why the Dems are getting ALL the blame for voting no on the mining bill. It was the one Republican's fault, if you ask me, who went against party-line, and who represents the people where the mine was going to be. The people there obviously didn't want it either since they voted the Senator in, and if they did, we'd be hearing about a recall (unless he was already attempted to be recalled and won or is currently facing recall... Anyone, anyone?) Can someone please enlighten me on this?

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Randy1949

10:28 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

I wish the rogue GOP senator had shown some stones yesterday, but I guess it's too much to expect. I hope they worded the abortion coverage bill to reflect therapeutic abortions and the routine D&C following a natural miscarriage, but that is also too much to expect.

As for the other, abstinence only really works. Just ask Bristol Palin.

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Steve

10:41 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Funny how you can spin that in your head. When something loses by one vote every vote is the deciding one. And since all democrats voted no well they all said no together on mining. The one republican is an idiot but the vast majority of republican's said yes.

Funny that you didn't bring up Robert Jauch (D) who represents the area of the proposed mine. Where the majority of it's residents support said mine. So wouldn't it be Jauch's fault the mining bill didn't pass?

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Steve

10:42 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

►The people there obviously didn't want it either since they voted the Senator in◄

really? Let's see Dale was elected into senate 1991 and Jauch in 1987. Long before this issue came up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTN6NIx0C68&feature=youtu.be

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Bren

12:10 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

How many people supported the mining bill because they had no idea that there was a real potential for environmental havoc? How many would support it knowing that a soil sample contained 20% pyrite?

Things are out of hand in Wisconsin. Recall Scott Walker.

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CowDung

12:18 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Considering that the guy making the pyrite claims is staunchly anti-Walker (to the point of wearing an anti-Walker T-shirt during his testimony in front of the state senators), how can we be sure that the '20% pyrite' soil sample was really a fair representative of the soil that the mine would be processing?

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Bren

12:29 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

That individual is a professional calling for thorough testing. I wasn't aware that pyrite or other minerals have political affiliations?

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Steve

12:44 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Kind of insulting that you think they are uneducated about their own back yard.

It's not a soil sample ;)
One core brought up 20% but the others didn't? How much did the others show? How many cores were done like 7?

Minnesota and Michigan have the same issues, pyrite oxidizes into iron and surfer. So that is our only challenge. Monitor the surfer in the tailing and protect them form the water. Its' 2012, if they can do it we can do it better. They root for the Vikings and have iron mining as well as future underground mining. We can do better.

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Bob McBride

12:53 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

"Professionals" don't show up at a hearing wearing a t-shirt like that. Flakes do. At the very least it begs a second opinion from a source who's not so obsessed with their political bias that they're unable to make a sensible and appropriate wardrobe decision .

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Bren

2:29 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Steve, as I read, the other samples were inert due to sun exposure. There's only so much that can be done without proper equipment, hence the need for proper soil testing (I suggest that the re-definition of the term iron ore body in the mining bill to be a compound of chemicals suggests that testing was done and that other minerals are present to some degree. If the goal was to downplay the presence of pyrite, why subvert the goal to inform the local population of the true state of affairs? Think it through Steve.)

Arsenic is also a concern in addition to sulfur. Even trace amounts can be deadly to a river population. Again, are the risks worth 700 jobs, especially as I saw no guarantee that local people would be hired for all of them.

So according to comments here, Steve suggests minerals might have a U.S. political party affiliation and now Bob McBride is establishing a dress code for court appearances. Who knew that Patch has its own Rachel Zoe! What fashion accessory is the must-have for spring Bob? How about establishing a dress code for commenting on Patch? Black tie or office casual? ; )

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CowDung

2:47 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Bren:

You are a lawyer, aren't you?

What kind of clothes do you wear for your court appearances? I'm betting that it's more along the lines of a professional suit and tie rather than a T-shirt bearing a partisan political statement.

Can you really not see how the deliberate projection of one's political stance during testimony can cause the audience to question the truth of their statements and the evidence that one presents?

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Steve

2:50 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Sun exposure? Never herd of a thing. When you take a 10' core sample out you break it in about 24" sections and place it in a box with the footage marking. Box has a lid. Sun can't penetrate entire core or make sulfter just go away, if it did we have nothing to worry about then with the mine. Place tailings in sun and bad stuff poof gone.

Why don't they have the proper equipment? If they want to prove the mine would kill everyone in the state wouldn't you do a proper test?

As I said earlier it's well known that there will be pyrite near taconite. This bill didn't approve the mine to start building tomorrow, it would still need approval from many agencies. And again it will create thousands of jobs. Unless peple are going to fly in every day on a private jet the 700 will be local.

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Bob McBride

4:02 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Bren,

For court: Don't dress like you're insane (unless that's what you're pleading). Don't dress in a way that may prejudice anyone against you. Common sense there, Sparky.

For Patch: Underwear. Preferably clean.

You're welcome.

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Bren

5:10 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

; ) At-work posters had better close their office doors first!

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Bob McBride

5:12 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

That's the "bare minimum", Bren. Feel free to embellish.

Tim Scott

5:52 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Bren: "So tell me why "conservatives" are so against exploring alternate fuels? Realistically, practically, explain this phenomenon."

I'm not against that at all. There is a great deal of work that has gone into this. However the underpinning of all so-called alternatives is OIL.

Instead of wasting my time trying to educate you, which can't be done, I will direct you to The Oil Drum: http://www.theoildrum.com/

You can gain an education there, and discover for yourself, from experts and those involved in the field, with the problems of other energy sources.

In the meantime, if you would provide me with the specific alternative energy sources you are concerned with - I would gladly give you my opinion of them, and if I had any objections. Can you even name any of these you say conservatives oppose?

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Gregory Kluck

6:06 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

In the early beginning of the auto industry, there were many different power sources and ways to propel a car. There was in addition to gasoline, electric cars and steam powered cars. Eventually the most efficient energy source won out...gasoline. Not only that, but much of your car today is made from oil derived substance...plastic, wire coatings, paint, etcetera. Steam was kinda cool but still required a fuel to heat the boiler which was generally gasoline. Plus you needed to take on water. Fuel efficiency was not good. Electric cars using the technology of those days (1900--1920) wasn't that efficient, but better than steam. It took a long time to charge your battery pack. They were quiet and clean and had decent speed but didn't have the range. Today's electrics like the Nissan Leaf are worlds better than the early Bakers, Rausch & Langes and Detriot Electrics. I think even Studebaker had an electric, and there was myriads of truck makers powering with electric. But alas, the gasoline and diesel powered vehicles won out. They weren't successful because of the oil companies, the oil companies were successful because of the auto industry. I am all for alternate forms of energy but until someone can find one that has the efficiency (energy received for energy given) of gas, oil based fuel will always be the main source.

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Bren

6:31 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Oil will probably be part of the equation well into the future. Tim Scott, please explain the glee at the failure of Solandra if there isn't ardent "conservative" support for exploring sustainable energy sources?

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Tim Scott

6:42 am on Friday, March 16, 2012

Bren - it is painfully obvious that you are WAY above your head.

Oil will always be around, because once the EROEI >1 it becomes an energy sink and it is no longer sustainable to produce it.

Do you understand what I just said.

A. I think you have no clue as to what I said.

B. You will ignore reality and the facts and just plow ahead.

It is now a fairly universal consensus that we are at the plateau of peak oil - maximun rate of extraction has been achieved. This means that there are limits to growth on a finite Planet. Oil is an extremely dense, highly concentrated, and mobile source of energy. It is irreplaceable. There is no true alternative - all others depend upon it.

Bren - do you think a nuclear reactor just comes into being?

Didn't you just oppose a mine?

Where do you think the materials to build that reactor come from - what mines them, what makes that equipment? What is involved every step of the way?

O-I-L

You remind me of someone who would condemn Farmers for their practices and then say "screw the Farmers, we don't need them, I buy my food at the Supermarket".

That is the mentality you display.

Here is a thought for you - how will France maintain and service those nuclear reactors without oil? Better yet - how will they de-commission them and transport the fuel to a safe location - because radioactive material is dangerous for millions of years?

Clueless. That's what your posts reveal.

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Bren

8:35 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012

Tim, I think everyone here knows where nuclear reactors come from, etc., etc. Perhaps it is new to you? Of course you have the right to post what you wish.

morninmist

5:55 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Shame on Walker and the Republicans!

http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=264338

WisDems:"Only" 22,000 kicked off, Scott Walker's deepest cuts to BadgerCare thwarted
3/15/2012

Contact: Graeme Zielinski, WisDems Communications Director
414-364-1077; graemez@wisdems.org

MADISON—Following is the statement of Democratic Party of Wisconsin Chair Mike Tate following news that Scott Walker was forced to roll back his deepest cuts to BadgerCare after the Obama administration opposed plans that would have cut almost 30,000 children from the program for working families.

"Scott Walker has given $2.6 billion in tax giveaways to the super-rich and out-of-state corporations and to pay for it, he has attacked the BadgerCare program on which hundreds of thousands of working Wisconsinites rely. Virtually everyone will see lowered benefits, but Walker was hell-bent on kicking some 30,000 children off the program in time for Christmas. Now, "only" 22,000 will be cut off the vital program so that Walker's corporate donors see a little bit more in profit, without creating jobs.

Budgets are about priorities and it is clear in his attack on BadgerCare that Walker would rather side with a C.E.O. than a sick child from a working family."............

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Tim Scott

6:07 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Walker is trying to rein in out of control oppression by union public employees whose outrageous benefits and salaries has made private business unprofitable.

How can a decent, honest family man make a living when someone like John Dickert, Mayor of Racine, spends $200,000, taken from working people via taxation, to fix up a house, then sell it for $80,000 and call it a success?

Governor Pat Quinn is now going to allow Medicare to collapse in Illinois and throw the poor to the dogs , while attempting to preserve the pensions of public employees.
He only needs to find $83 billion!

It's the Corporate fatcats at RUSD, with a $300 Million dollare budget, stolen through property taxes, that is throwing people out of their homes and into the street. Want to end Corporate tyranny and Slavery? End Corporate RUSD and public Corporation tyranny.

Tim Scott

6:12 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Detroit OR Detoilet?

Asked if Snyder will compromise, Bing said: "He's already said he's open minded. I don't think this is etched in stone. … We both want the city of Detroit to survive and be healthy."

Bing reiterated he does not want the powers of the financial manager or to be the financial manager. "We've got to be part of the process," he said, adding there has been a lot of "unnecessary rhetoric."

He also reiterated he thinks the city needs $100 million to $150 million in state funding as part of a deal to put in place structural changes.

"I think we'll get behind it. It's not personal as far I'm concerned. As business people, we've got to make the right choices," Bing said.

Bing also said he wasn't pursuing a federal bailout of Detroit. "If somebody wants to give us money, I will take it," he said with a laugh.

The Fat Lady is singing. It's over for Detroit.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120315/METRO01/203150508/Bing-Washington-says-he-wants-keep-authority?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

They won't get anything, because they are BROKE!

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morninmist

6:09 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012

Here is an interesting development from up North (Wausaw area).

Ed Schultz ‏ @edshow
Wisconsin senator facing recall resigns; GOP loses majority. Will/should others follow suit? #edshow #wirecall http://fb.me/vsBjAlXr

John Nichols ‏ @NicholsUprising
GOP Senator Galloway, #wirecall target, quitting Senate. GAB says: "recall election... will be held without her name on the ballot."

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morninmist

6:12 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012

I wish her family well.

http://www.defendwisconsin.org/2012/03/16/state-sen-galloway-to-resign-today-leaving-senate-split/

State Sen. Galloway to resign today, leaving Senate split
– March 16, 2012Posted in: Mass Media, Press

State Sen. Pam Galloway, R-Wausau,who faces a recall election this summer, plans to resign from the Senate Friday. She plans to speak to voters in her district on Sunday.

“After a great deal of thought and consideration, I’ve decided to put the needs of my family first,” the Wausau Republican said in a statement Friday. “My family has experienced multiple, sudden and serious health issues, which require my full attention. Unfortunately, this situation is not compatible with fulfilling my obligations as state Senator or running for re-election at this time.”

Galloway’s resignation will cause the Republicans to lose their Senate majority. Republicans would hold 16 seats and Democrats would hold 16 seats. It marks a dramatic change from a year ago, when Republicans held a commanding 19-14 majority in the Senate. It was narrowed to 17-16 in August when Democrats gained two seats in recall elections.................

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morninmist

6:20 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012

And a tweet that is spot on!

ShooterOneSix ‏ @ShooterOneSix
The only way today can get better for us Badgers is if Scooter Walker would ALSO resign! #wirecall #wiunion #p2

morninmist

6:56 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012

Coffee Bean ‏ @CoffeeBean26

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And Rep Jeff Fitzgerald is gone! CELEBRATE!

http://quorumcall.wispolitics.com/2012/03/speaker-fitz-says-good-bye.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter #WIunion #reclaimWI #ALEC

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Gregory Kluck

8:06 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

We shall see what we shall see.

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Bren

8:42 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012

Does Galloway's "retirement" after only one year in office give her a pension?

Wisconsin Judicial Commission files ethics charges against Justice David Prosser:

http://media.jsonline.com/documents/J_Dept._complaint_vs_Prosser.pdf

I wonder if JoAnne Kloppenburg's hands would have slipped around another Justice's throat if she had won the election...

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morninmist

7:43 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012

Bren.
I suspect she will leave with full benefits. We will see.

As to the comment "I wonder if JoAnne Kloppenburg's hands would have slipped around another Justice's throat if she had won the election..."

Of course not. JoAnne can control herself and it was obvious that Prosser could NOT!

morninmist

7:40 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012

Vote the scum TeaGOP out of our HOUSE!!
Like Palin, Galloway quit!! One down and 3 to go!! PLUS Kleefisch and Walker!

http://www.politiscoop.com/us-politics/wisconsin-politics/814-scott-walker-extremism-on-display-as-failure-session-ends.html

16 March 2012

FitzwalkerStan extremismScott Walker Extremism on Display as Failure Session Ends
\Following is the statement of Democratic Party Chair Mike Tate following the end of a legislative session that failed to produce any meaningful jobs legislation yet included a full-scale assault on women and other nasty bits of social extremism.

"Wisconsin led the nation in job loss in 2011, yet Scott Walker Republicans in the Legislature were more concerned in this legislative session with threatening doctors with felonies, lining the pockets of slumlords and denying health care for 12-year-old girls who are raped. Republicans failed to pass bipartisan mining legislation, after previously failing to pass Scott Walker's promised venture capital fund. They failed to target tax cuts to small businesses that create jobs. They even failed to balance the budget, though Scott Walker wasn't afraid to bring the contrary lie to his omnipresent television commercials.

Underlying everything was a hostility toward women that hasn't been seen in Wisconsin in generations, with Republicans litigating arguments about women's reproductive freedom and fair pay for equal work that have been settled with the public decades ago."

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morninmist

7:46 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012

The WI TeaRepugs are a JOKE!

Wed Mar 14, 2012 at 03:11 PM PDT

For "Sunshine Week", WI Assembly Covers Windows on Gallery Doors with Black Plastic+*

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/14/1074417/-For-Sunshine-Week-WI-Assembly-Covers-Windows-on-Gallery-Doors-with-Black-Plastic

Did you know we’re right in the middle of Sunshine Week? Sunshine Week is a celebration of the Freedom of Information Act and other open records laws. It's sponsored by the American Society of News Editors and by the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.

Without a hint of irony, the Wisconsin Assembly decided this week to cover the windows on the Assembly gallery doors with black plastic to prevent people from filming the proceedings from outside the gallery. You may recall that recording quietly from inside the gallery has already been declared “against the rules” by the Republican leaders of the Assembly. They have stationed state troopers inside the gallery to escort out anyone who chooses to exercise their first amendment rights and their rights under Wisconsin’s open meetings law......

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morninmist

9:18 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012

Sweet

Fri Mar 16, 2012

As of 12:01 a.m. CDT, Scott Fitzgerald is not the Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader+*

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/17/1075196/-As-of-12-01-a-m-CDT-Scott-Fitzgerald-is-not-the-Wisconsin-Senate-Majority-Leader

As detailed yesterday by Puddytat, Wisconsin Republican State Senator Pam Galloway resigned from the Senate effective midnight CST. She was facing a recall election but stated she was resigning to deal with sudden and serious family health issues.

It is now past midnight in Wisconsin. The Senate is officially split evenly, 16 - 16, and Scott Fitzgerald is no longer the majority leader. He is, at best, the co-leader of the Senate along with Democrat Mark Miller.

This is a momentous development that happened as most Wisconsinites slept. For all practical purposes, the FitzWalkerstan era is over...

The Republicans can pass no new legislation without Democratic cooperation.

Scott Walker is likely facing criminal charges and will have to face a recall election.

Scott Fitzgerald could easily lose his Senate seat against Wisconsin folk hero Lori Compas.

Jeff Fitzgerald, brother of Scott Fitzgerald, is the Speaker of the State Assembly. He is running for a US Senate seat in the fall and therefore will not be running for reelection in the State Assembly.

By the end of the year, it is very likely that the capitol building will house no Fitzgeralds and no Scott Walker.

FitzWalkerstan is dead. Long live Wisconsin.

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