Bren - you found your true calling - bumper sticker writer! I told you so. And you want to hold on to your intellectual cred? Pfffft. All gone.

Ima, I can't take credit for the rich comedic material that daily appears in the news. These things write themselves. ; )

Bren - "I can't take credit for the rich comedic material that daily appears in the news. These things write themselves." Ummm, like Joe Biden? Wow. Hey now! You must be proud to have him on your ticket. Well, actually we do not know if he'll be on the ticket. DNC has him in hiding. Did they send him to New Orleans to campaign?

I have no idea, Ima.

Yes, utterly classless. If the GOP succeeds in destroying the Democratic Party and the U.S. becomes the authoritarian single-party government so many seem to want, what should be done about 1. Registered Democrats, 2. Moderate Independents, 3. Anyone Else Not Republican, and especially 4. Those With No Sense of Humor Whatsoever? Something classy, I hope.

@Bren -

Interesting that you feel that the GOP could successfully destroy the Democratic Party. And what leads you to make such a premise exactly?

Jason's bumper sticker mentality wouldn't be so bad if they were funny. Or even relevant to reality.

Let me explain Jason, take "Forget Hope and Change, What I Want is a JOB!"
See, that's funny because it's a take off of Barack Hussein Obama's last campaign catch phrase. And It's relevant because real unemployment is somewhere above 15%.

How about "Honk If I am Paying for Your Health Insurance". It's funny because it's a take off of the old bumper sticker "Honk if your Horny" and relevant because of what Obamacare is putting us through.

Hope that helps Jason.

@Anti -

Now those suggestions were FUNNY!

I generally don't agree with Jason's agenda, but I find his presentation style hilarious like Monty Python or Zucker Bros. type of humor. Like the dog peeing on the campaign signs. More hilarious is the way Doofa, Bren, Saul and some other notables claw at each other over his postings with such serious intent. Keeps me coming back for more!

@$$andNonsense -

"I generally don't agree with Jason's agenda,"

Could have fooled me ;-)

Ah, far more interesting to explore what would happen if it occurs.

@Bren: Destroyed? Probably not. But thankfully with the adults in charge, I see the Dem party marginalized for a generation or so. Think of it decending into a circus side-show. You know, where you find the freaky stuff.

Freaky stuff, you mean like the Magical Secretion? That's pretty freaky.

I think a generation of one-party domination could do irreparable harm to our democracy--either party. Our government was structured for deliberate reflection, rigorous discourse and ultimately compromise, not rubber stamping hastily-conceived measures. I am very concerned about the loss of balance that some here prescribe.

Glad you respond to your handle. Like it? I like the non-sense thing as it gives credence to my posts and having merit worthy of getting your angst. Alright!

You are the fool as you know nothing of my political leanings other than you are a make believe "conservative" wannabe spouting what ever crap you are fed, living third person through some sorry ass union boss that got his pay day. Sorry about your old man VN vet losing his job at GM. Kinda sucks being a dyed in the wool union lackey getting kicked out of town. Just like the state and local gov't union "thugs". Right?

It figures $$andNonsense likes Jason's bumper stickers.
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He's not funny either.

Saul

"It figures $$andNonsense likes Jason's bumper stickers.
He's not funny either."
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Like your buddy Doofa, your comprehension skills are not good either. I never posted anything about Jason's posting other than I laugh at humor delivery, not the content. Learn to read and process the info. Lighten up boy or you like Doofa will die early in life. Just found out this pm that Doofa is a 30 something genxer. You fit that mold too or too just too bully to admit your youthful ignorance?

I did a quick fact check - your article was about bumper stickers and you wander off into fake fact checking. And the fake intellectual Bren jumps right in with a cannon ball!

I guess you feel proud and useful when you get a user name and password and mindlessly hack on a keyboard to shreds with incoherent thoughts. (soft pats on your head)

This means you should hang up your keyboard until you can continue with a cogent thought beyond one sentence.

Jason, work on it and come back. Or continue your weak and shallow nonsense and we'll be hear to rip up another bumper sticker. Coexist?

I thought the article was nominally about bumper stickers and a door opener for discussion about Romney/Rand and the GOP convention.

But it's a problem I have. I don't take things at face value. Perhaps that's because I'm a fake intellectual. ; )

@Jason -

1) The GM plant in Janesville continued to produce light and medium duty trucks pursuant to the Isuzu Motors contract until June of 2009. My father was one of the employees that worked there in 2009. Are you saying that his job or the vehicles that were produced in that plant during that time by the men and women of the UAW somehow don't count as the plant being open just because it wasn't running at full or normal capacity? Would you like to tell that to my father or the other 100 or so UAW workers to their faces? SHAME on you!!!

2) So the elderly will just have to settle for substandard care compared to what they were receiving before because Obama decided to cut doctors wages to fund his new health care program. And that makes Ryan a liar how exactly?

3) So some GOP governors are requesting waivers from the work-for-welfare requirement, but the you assert that Obama never offered such waivers! Yeah, there's definitely no conflict with that assertion! Honestly, do you actually think about any of this stuff before posting it, or is it all cut and pasted from the Daily Kos or similar liberal sites without much personal consideration?

Patzfahl - when did any of your blog postings ever contain a single indisputable objective FACT??? And yet, you slam the GOP premised upon your erroneous and easily debunked liberal talking point lies and propaganda?

Come on!

Bren - just checking your dog story, the Seamus thing. So Obama actually ate dog with his uncle LoLo?

Something Jason and the rest of the Left keep ignoring is that Ryan has ALWAYS said his Roadmap for America details are starting points for discussion.

No Bren. Not even close to to being an intellectual. Don't flatter yourself (but look to Paul Ryan for an excellent role model!)

Obama stood at the GM plant in October 08 and said plants like these will stay open under his Presidency. GM put the plant on the watchlist in 08. It closed in 09. Gets your facts right Jason.

I think Jason is a fantastic satirical writer. I always enjoy your articles, Jason. The comments demonstrate your effectiveness in achieving the goal of satirical writing! Please continue!

In the world of "A picture is worth a thousand words," I give you the good folks of the Janesville Plant, Dec 23rd, 2008:
http://gazettextra.com/photos/galleries/last-day-gm/3119/

Forgot the link, sorry... http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2012/08/30/fact-checking-rnc

Jason, how about citing an unbiased (ie non-NPR) source.

1) The point wasn't that Barack Hussein Obama allowed the GM plant to close, but that he made a campaign promise that the plant would be open for "a hundred years". So if the closing wasn't his fault, why did he make a promise he wasn't in a position to keep?

2) Your link has a lot of rhetoric (like most of the Liberal comments about Ryan's plan) but no sources. This is directly from Ryan's plan ( http://roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/#Healthsecurity ):

"For future Medicare beneficiaries who are now under 55 or younger (those who first become eligible on or after 1 January 2021), the proposal creates a standard Medicare payment to be used for the purchase of private health coverage. Currently enrolled Medicare beneficiaries and those becoming eligible in the next 10 years (i.e. turning 65 by 1 January 2021) will see no changes in the current structure of their Medicare benefits."..." For those eligible prior to that date (those 55 and older), the existing Medicare Program remains, and is strengthened with changes, such as income-relating of drug benefit premiums, to ensure its long-term sustainability."

3) There's alot of links out there (here's one: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/09/obama-welfare-waiver-gutting-rules-or-tweaking ) disputing your source.

@Jason -

So, you're honestly telling my father and the other UAW workers who worked that plant in 2009 producing light and medium duty trucks for the Isuzu Motors contract that the plant was in fact closed in 2008 during the Bush administration.

Could you then please explain how and why those people entered the plant and engaged in work that produced a product which allowed a company to profit from the sale of such vehicles? Do you honestly think they jumped the fence, worked for free, and were fine with corporatists profiting from the fruits of their free labor?

And I'm the one who's ignoring facts?

Come on - are you for real? You have to be a conservative plant posing as the stereotypical liberal stooge!!! Just admit it already!!!

Well (D) would actually be "DRIVE", as in drive the country into the ground.

And Jason, (R) is for Race, go borrow your mom's car and try it.

Anyone else want to just b*tch slap the glasses right off this Jason's face? This guy is so weak and incompetent that he can't find a real job so he sits and hates on all those better than him (Republicans and anyone else with a real job and education).

http://gazettextra.com/news/2008/jun/03/janesvilles-gm-plant-close/
Both of you are sort of right. The plant closure was announced in 2008 while Bush was in office, but the product line was continued until 2010 while Obama was in office. But, the kicker is that the decision to continue operations was made to continue operations while Bush was in office. This discussion begs the question of what role the two president's played in their respective presidencies... but the biggest question is -- if government should have no role in business, should or could they have been saved? It's clear from the GM Pres statements though that the decision was market driven.
Here's what the pres of the company said at the time:
GM President Troy Clarke said the automaker’s forecasts necessitate one-shift production in Janesville into 2010.
“At the end of the day, this segment of the marketplace has almost collapsed,” Clarke said. “The decision is how we allocate our capacity.”
GM officials also said today that the plant’s medium-duty Isuzu truck line in Janesville will end production by the end of 2009. It employs fewer than 50 workers.
GM last spared the Janesville plant in 2005, when it pledged a $175 million investment to retool the plant for the newest version of Chevrolet Suburbans and Tahoes and GMC Yukon XLs and Yukons.
That product is expected to expire in 2010, as is the Janesville plant.

By the way..... would really love to see better discussions happening.

Attached to junk like this, Denise?

As long as this is the kind of stuff that passes for content, you can expect to continue to be disappointed by the discussions.

Bob, you are being harsh. Why don't you write an article? It's not easy.

How would you know, Bren?

Bob, I've written articles for print--to do it right takes a great deal of time and research, interviews, analysis, etc. For what it's worth I would be very interested in reading an article by you, whenever you have time to write and post one.

Tell you what, Bren. You show me one of yours with your byline attached and I'll consider doing one.

And, yes, it's obvious a lot of time and research, interviews, analysis, etc went into this wonderful piece.

Jason, keep in mind their presidential candidate admitted that fact checkers have no bearing on his campaign. You expect better from his minions? If the leaders aren't ashamed to be spewing lies (Guiliani on Ryan's speech: "Well, look, when people give speeches, not every fact is always absolutely accurate.” ) Then you can't expect the followers to be any more devoted to accuracy.

@Jane -

And apparently you're fine with an appointed and unaccountable to the people panel that will make the decisions as to what kind of tests are deemed necessary and appropriate and those that aren't. Won't that eliminate a lot of precautionary decisions that are best left to the doctors of the specific individual patients? Isn't it better to be safe than sorry, or double check, - especially with someone's life?

Is readmission due to negligence in the health care profession really that big of a problem? You'd think that with all the sue happy lawyers out there that health care providers would assure that something so stupid would not be occurring en mass anymore, correct?

I don't need a third party assessment of the ACA - I've personally read and analyzed the original 900+ page document itself. Have you?

James: Yes, I am fine with the research that has been done, and the amount of time taken to write the Affordable Care Act. Yes, readmissions due to negligence really is THAT big of a deal. http://www.jsonline.com/business/hospitals-aim-to-cut-repeat-admissions-h76j8v6-167430695.html. While, I'm sure you're highly intelligent, I find it quite difficult to believe that you have analyzed the Affordable Care Act more accurately than the Keiser Family Foundation. I prefer to go with them, rather than you. You don't even have enough faith in your comments to use your real name. Cowards hide behind others.

@Jane -

Hoffa started out using his real name, but had to change to a screen-name after his family and business were personally threatened by unhinged liberal activists merely for expressing his own views and opinions on a public forum. While I saw numerous stories about death threats against Governor Walker being made by the unhinged left, I've yet to see a single credible story about death threats being made against Tom Barrett by the right during the recall race

Blame your buddies on the left for the use of the screen name. It's not worth the harm of my family or business to use my real name, as I'm not currently running for office. That may change in the future if I decide to run for public office, as many have encouraged me to do.

And if you want to know the unfiltered truth about the ACA, why don't you try reading and analyzing the actual document itself instead of trusting in someone else's analysis?

Or is asking one to think for themselves too much trouble to ask?

Hoffa, Jane does have a good point. How could you have analyzed Barack Hussein Obamacare when none of the Democrats in congress have?

@Anti -

Like everyone else, Hoffa had to graciously wait for Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Dem controlled House to pass the bill so that he could find out what was in it!

Barack was a little boy when someone gave him a plate of food on it and told him to eat it and yes, it contained some dog meat. But Mitt was a full-grown "man" when he strapped the family pooch to the roof and headed off on the interstate to Canada and only stopped to hose the diarrhea off the car and the dog, then kept on going.

I would just as soon strap one of my kids to the roof of the car as I would my family dog, no matter how secure the carrying case was - my mother-in-law however could sit up there all she wanted...

"I would just as soon strap one of my kids to the roof of the car as I would my family dog..."

If you think that little of your kids, it's just another reason I'm glad I'm not one of your kids.

@Jason -

Barack wasn't just a little boy when he smoked THC, smoked crack rock, snorted coke, or engaged in other hard narcotic abuse. Seems like whenever life got tough for the adult Obama, he chose to check out and get rip-roaring drunk or stoned!

Yeah, that's really a quality that I'm looking for in the leader of our nation!

Romney = guaranteed no illegal narcotic usage or alcohol consumption his entire life!

When the going gets tough, Obama snorts a few lines, lights a bud, hits the bong, and gets shit-faced.

When the going gets tough, Romney gets going!

The choice is clear, isn't it?

I met a German tourist in Spain who cautioned us to be careful when ordering in restaurants. He tried a specialty of the house which was described as "rabbit of the roof." Stringy, but not too bad. It wasn't until a bit later that he figured it out. Meow!

Point being, there are different palates for different cultures.

What Bren really means is that it's OK for the libs to rip on Romney for the treatment of his family's dog, but the conservatives have no right to attack Obama for eating dog.

Funny that Hoffa just keeps missing the point. Obama, as a child, was fed a plate of something he was later told was dog meat. Mitt Romney, as an adult, strapped a dog to the top of his car on the freeway, only stopping to hose the diarreah out when the dog soiled itself. I can't even imagine how hard you have to want to spin something to even try to make the two equivalent. The GOP spin is dizzying. Dizzying.

@Greg -

Those are GREAT! Hoffa truly laughed out loud!

and yet, Ford managed to pull through without government takeover, er um, I mean bailout.

Poorly run business need to be restructured. If unions help bring them down they need to be part of the solution . Obama plan was to punish everyone but his political donors....the union. There is a bankruptcy process in place in which the government doesnt need to "bleed " taxpayers who do it right for unions and companies that do it wrong. Capitalism is a profit / loss system. The losers fail when the costs of theyre efforts far exceed the worth of the goods they produce. In those cases.......failure and restructure should occur.
Jason you show a lot of ignorance by asking taxpayers and future generations to pay for the mistakes of companies and unions. So when you stand up for the Welfare program Government Motors received........you don't stand up for those who have to pay for it .

Nope Jason. A real-world bankruptcy would have kept GM as a leaner, better, healthier company for having shed it's legacy (union) costs. Bush had nothing to do with any "vote" to close the plant. Shame on you for your clunky attempt for trying to to offer any linkage to it. And your "sarcasm" has long run its course for the vitriol it is.

@Jason -

Ryan voted in favor of an auto bailout that consisted of a straight up interest bearing loan with a defined repayment schedule that the taxpayers actually would have made money off of, as Bush had originally set up the auto bailouts to be, and just like Carter successfully did it with Chrysler under Iaccoca back in '79.

What Romney and Ryan both fundamentally opposed was the way in which Obama handled the bailouts - behind closed doors in a smoke filled back room making crony deals with the UAW, the Italians, and the Canadians, and administrated by a self-appointed cars czar. A deal that we lost billions on!

Obama promised hope and change, remember? Transparency and closing the WH to lobbyists and cronyism. We were supposed to be able to watch all the negotiations on C-SPAN 3, remember? Honestly, did Obama deliver on any of those promises in regards to the way he conducted the auto bailouts?

And what vote are you talking about exactly? Did the GM board of directors vote to close the Janesville plant? If so, they also voted to close other plants that miraculously remained open after the bailout went through, remember?

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/30818889.html

So if other plants slated for closure were spared and remained open, then why couldn't Janesville, the only plant that Obama directed a campaign speech about working to keep plants open.

All you do is spin - even more than a record does on one of Paul Oakenfold's turntables!

Anti, Of the major U.S. automakers, Ford has targeted and become a huge force in Europe and Asia. There are GM automobiles overseas but are luxury or delivery vehicles. Ford has worked very hard to create affordable cars sized to the markets. The Ford Focus, for instance, was a very popular family sedan in Britain when I was last there.

Exactly Bren, and all without Federal money!

@JB -

Funny, Hoffa noticed the same thing!

Steve! This is the funniest comment you have every written on Patch. I don't often laugh out loud in front of my laptop but you forced it out of me. Well done! ; )

$5.99 I accept paypal

How about a funny video instead? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/colbert-mocks-paul-ryan-ayn-rand_n_1842877.html

JMB, your misconception is misconceived! ; ) I believe everyone realizes that the bailout saved GM from going under and taking approximately 1 million direct and indirect family sustaining jobs with it. The lessons of the Great Depression include the need to keep able-bodied people working, to pay back taxpayer dollars spent in taxes, and to avoid social unrest. Personally I'd rather spend $25b on helping my fellow Americans than overpaying mercenaries in Afghanistan when U.S. soldiers have actual training and would do a far better job.

I'm interested in this idea that Obama is a "corporatist." Who do you believe is behind ALEC and the Tea/GOP obstruction in Congress? ALEC is a special interest group whose mission is to write/promote Big Business-friendly legislation for its legislative members. It's like complaining about the "liberal media" when the media is owned by AOL/Time Warner, GE, News Corp., etc. Most are major international corporations. The health insurance industry is out of control, and the banking industry needs to have certain regulations re-established.

I absolutely agree that it's time to "wake up America." Let's not allow the greatest nation on earth to be consumed by greed.

@Bren -

Funny how Carter saved Chrysler under Iaccoca and all the direct and indirect jobs back in '79 without doing a behind closed doors in a smoke filled back room crony deal with the UAW, Italians, and Canadians, supervised by a self-appointed cars czar. It was just a straight up interest bearing loan with a defined repayment schedule - simple, to the point, and the taxpayers recovered every penny invested and actually made money off the interest charged.

Under Obama's deal, the taxpayer lost billions while the UAW, Italians, and big money private investors were allowed to swoop in and start profiting right away, all for themselves. Essentially, Obama just handed the UAW, Italians, and big money private investors billions of our tax dollars.

How do you defend this action? I thought you were against giving tax dollars to greedy and corporatist special interests?

Could you explain without shifting the subject or going into a story about a close family relative's personal experience?

Thanks!

Mr. Hoffa, Chrysler is beginning to pay back funds. As of earlier this month, GM is at $ .90 USD/share: http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/02/news/companies/gm-earnings/index.htm

And for any who believe that Obama is receiving direct political benefit from GM for the bailout, guess again: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/general-motors-political-donations_n_1699638.html

Darn! No personal story to illustrate my point? Because I was just about to share that I drove past a GMC truck this afternoon.

@Bren -

Again, you didn't directly answer the question. Instead, you just dodged and deflected.

Under the way Obama did the bailouts, the taxpayers will lose out on billions - this is not contended by anyone, it is a FACT.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120813/AUTO01/208130392

Obama could have done the bailouts the way Carter did his and the way that Bush had originally set-up the bailouts to be, whereby the taxpayers would not have lost out on any money at all, but actually made money on the interest payments realized.

Now, again, please answer the question without dodging, deflection, or shifting the subject.