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Seattle-Area Patchers React: 'Hawk Talk is Sympathetic, Not Sorry

Washington Patch users weigh in on the finish to the Green Bay-Seattle Monday Night Football game.

Seattleites and all Washingtonians know Monday night's last-second victory over the Green Bay Packers was lucky as a winning lottery ticket.

But few feel the need to apologize about that fact.

Out West, 'Hawks fans are saying, the team has caught its share of bad breaks and worse calls. (Remember Superbowl XL against Pittsburgh?) So when the team caught a good one – with the generous help of Packer defensive back M. D. Jennings and replacement refs  -- the thinking in the Evergreen State was, "It's about time."

Call it the Karmic Katch. Although to be honest, few seem to think that either the catch or the penalty just prior were exactly fair to the Packers faithful.

Seattle-area Patch sites already got a dose of the reaction from Wisconsin. Here's a sampling of comments from Patch users in Washington:

Dan

Tonight, I finally know what it feels like to be a Steelers fan.

David Crosby

I'm assuming that the Zeus of football is FINALLY paying us back for Vinnie Testaverde?

MacG

Hey, it's ugly, but it's a W. As a kid, it would be a do-over. Either way, bad calls throughout the game, just want the regular refs back.

Kevin Scheid

I think it was a good call. Since it was dual possession, it goes to the offensive player. If it was basketball, it would have been a jump ball. Since football does not have jump balls, they have other rules so the refs followed the rules. It was a good call. Get over it.

Bob Martinek

Who's gloating? Just happy to have a tough win against a quality team who did not play well enough to clearly win. Green Bay left the door open and there were many bad calls. Pass interference on Seattle to keep a drive alive by Green Bay, spotting the ball for a first down for Green Bay are just a couple that went their way. So the W goes to Seattle, be happy that it may help us get into the playoffs and quit whining about fair play, it's football for goodness sake, blame the NFL but not the Seahawks

Joe Urvina

There were bad calls all night on both sides of the ball. I can remember several bad calls that extended the Green Bay touchdown drive. If you are going to only focus on the last play of the game you are missing 99% of the problem. 
A win is a win is a win...

JW September 25, 2012 at 08:48 PM
I am posting from WI... just seeing what was being said here... and honestly, most fans here are pissed, however, had we WON under the exact same circumstances I do believe they would be saying what you guys are saying here. I agree the Pack did not do enough to win outright and I also believe simultaneous reception, while hard to see at full speed, was backed up in many replay angles. The concept of tie going to offense is a sound one... it makes sense... the team that had prior possession retains possession unless clearly taken away by the other team. Who would want that the other way? Tie goes to the defense? Offense and scoring is what makes games exciting so in situations like this the tie leaning to that side is what anyone would want when it helps their own team.
Adam W. McCoy (Editor) September 25, 2012 at 08:58 PM
But, I don't believe there was a simultaneous reception. Jennings went to the ground with two hands on the ball, and it pushed to his chest. Tate just stuck his hand in there. There are plenty of photos circulating on the Interwebs showing Jennings on the ground, with two hands on the ball, and Tate fighting to stick a hand in there. Seriously, how is that a simultaneous reception? Like most reasonable fans of the game, I don't make a habit of sniveling over calls, but this one was wrong — just wrong.
Denise Konkol (Editor) September 25, 2012 at 09:03 PM
Agreeing that 8 sacks cannot be overlooked, but in spite of that the Packers should have won should the game have been called accurately. That is something any team and any football fan should want.
Chris Larsen September 25, 2012 at 09:21 PM
The new rule is that if you play on offense, and you catch the guy that makes the interception, then he falls on top of you, its a completed intertouchdownception.
jackie September 25, 2012 at 09:26 PM
I agree with some of the post. But however, Jennings had both hands on the ball with every angle of the replay. I also agree that this game was not played as well as it should have been by the packers, but it was a bad call. And I am not a packer or Seahawks fan.
JW September 25, 2012 at 09:53 PM
I think a lot of people are reading into their interpretation of the rule rather than what the rule actually spells out. The Tuck Rule also doesnt really make intuitive sense (when a QB starts a forward motion but then pulls it back, if it is fumbled, it counts as an incomplete pass rather than a fumble). But, the thing is... it doesn't say the player who first puts two hands on it vs one by the player on the other team has possession. In this case, hands were involved, but Tate had his hand in there from the start. The reason two hands vs one cannot be a determining factor is that it is not at all uncommon for a player to receive the ball at the torso level and just catch it with one hand and have it tucked into their side properly with another player having two hands on it at the same time. That is also simultaneous with a 2 against 1 hand/arm situation. It is not about that. Some experts pointed out that Jennings needed to either knock that ball down OR he had to be sure to rip the ball away from Tate at the point of coming down with it or very quickly upon hitting the ground. Without that, it is more of a jump ball style situation where you cant just go with the visual of "well it sure looked like Jennings had more of it". The rule isnt "the player who looked like they had it more, should be awarded the ball...". Get it cleanly or it is simultaneous and even if the replay favors the defense, the rule favors the offense.
JW September 25, 2012 at 09:56 PM
Tate stuck his right hand in there on the way down... but his left hand was in there and on the ball from the start... and the ball was moving the whole time, it is not a reception from the point Jennings first touched it with two hands... he has to end up down and with sole control of the ball.
JW September 25, 2012 at 09:59 PM
None of this of course negates the actual blown calls of pass interferrence on Shields or roughing the pass that negated the Packer INT. BUT... this is what happens in close games, it leaves it up to potential human error of the refs which is why you want to win outright and convincingly rather than keep it where it is anyone's game in the end. In that type of game, you are generally going to lose a good share of them.
Adam W. McCoy (Editor) September 25, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Some photographic evidence for ya. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=474281739268813&set=a.277236525640003.70292.251538904876432&type=1&theater
Rik Kluessendorf September 25, 2012 at 11:15 PM
Just for you Seattle folks, here in Wisconsin, the feel I get is that no one is holding a grudge against Seattle. Your guys played a hell of a defensive game to stay in position to win no matter what. The feel here is that the league integrity is destroyed - that the frequency of botched calls and penalties that defy logic (on all sides... we know we had some break our way, too) makes the rules of the game a random factor as unpredictable as the weather. The rules should be constant, or as near to constant as possible. Sure, the real refs blew calls, but you might get one per game. These guys are blowing one per drive... if not more. So y'all understand, no hard feelings to the Seahawks. They played very well and will have the win forever. But these refs have GOT to go.
Paul Kopp September 26, 2012 at 01:01 AM
hey, it could be worse....it could have been decided by Dane County judges who just make rules as they go along and just do whatever the they want to the voters here.
Steve ® September 26, 2012 at 04:18 AM
zing
Keith Best September 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM
The quality of these refs is alike to a community organizer running the worlds largest economy. NOBAMA2012!
Walker September 26, 2012 at 12:11 PM
The rethugs can't help their narcissistic behavior.
John September 26, 2012 at 02:24 PM
Denise, we don't know who would have won the game if it was called accurately. If you applied this theory, the Packers would not have scored the touchdown. There was an incorrect PI called on Seahawks when Packers had 3rd down and 5 to go and no PI called on Woodson on a scoring drive.
Brent Champaco September 27, 2012 at 12:02 AM
Hey all - Seattle editor here, so please don't bite my head off, at least until you read :) Here's my question. I realize Shields was pushed out of the way and should have been called for PI. But is anyone in Packerland questioning why none of the other defenders in that heap didn't: A) Surround and body up Tate a bit more? or B) Try to knock the ball down? It's the final play of the game. Inexcusable, in my humble opinion, for Jennings to try and catch it. I thought defenders were always taught to knock the ball down. OK, you can bite my head off now :)
Mark Schaaf September 27, 2012 at 01:17 AM
A lot of people bring out the "knock it down" argument, but that's not a foolproof method either...Wisconsin fans know this having watched the Badgers knock down a Michigan State Hail Mary pass last year, only to see a Spartan player catch it off the bounce and get into the end zone. So I hear what you're saying, but I personally didn't have a problem with the way the Packers defended it.
Marco Polo September 27, 2012 at 01:26 AM
The only person who should be embarrassed over this is Pete Carroll. "I don't care". Nice example for kids. Packers should have won. Seattle did. Let's all move on, but it would be nice if the jacka$@ coach from Seattle could at least show some humility.
Jim Price September 27, 2012 at 01:45 AM
Ooo, Brent. You're a Patch colleague and all, but you're trying to tell Packers fans how the game of football should be played? Better stay in Seattle next time the 'Hawks come to Lambeau :)
Carl Engelking September 27, 2012 at 03:14 AM
Receivers are trained to move to the front of the scrum to catch balls batted down just like that. I think Titus Young from the Lions caught one that way in Week 3 as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfgptokGlgk&feature=related

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